“BOTH/AND: A LIFE IN MANY WORLDS” AUTHOR HUMA ABEDIN

“THE FALLOUT” STAR MADDIE ZIEGLER

DREW’S NEWS: THE WOMAN WHO SENT AN EXIT INTERVIEW AFTER A BUMBLE DATE

AIR DATE: Tuesday, January 25, 2022

VIDEOS:

Huma Abedin on Her Friendship with Anna Wintour

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Drew: What I didn’t know was that you were staying at Anna Wintour’s house, and that she was a source of consistent check-ins, as well as encouragement for this. Is this true?

Huma: Absolutely true, you know the book was her idea. And to have a friend like Anna, she really was the first person who called me right after the 2016 election when half the country was in mourning over that loss and I was so devastated, I was so shattered and she called me and said we’re going to dinner, and at dinner she said I know what you should do next, you should write your story, it’s a good story and you should write it, and I wasn’t convinced. But when I went and talked to Hillary a couple of days later, she said I should do it. It took some convincing for me to do it. But, I did and I’m glad I did. It’s been incredible therapy and being out in the world there’s something so liberating and empowering about it. I really enjoyed it.

Drew: I’m so excited to know that like Anna Wintour, you know was there to nurture you. And she’s not the warmest creature, you know, so I love hearing that you know this very stoic woman was what you needed when she was there for you.

Huma: Well, she actually gave me the gift of friendship at a time when I really needed it. It was in the midst of one of my very difficult periods of my marriage and there was a public demand that I be fired because I had chosen to stay with my husband who had been unfaithful to me. And I, at that moment, had chosen to stay with him and I remember we were at this dinner and all the headlines were, “is Hillary going to fire Huma?” and in the middle of this dinner she walks over to me as the cameras are following and says would you like to have lunch sometime, and really ever since that moment pushed me all the time, was always there if I needed something, but pushed me to make decisions, to stay true to myself, to not listen to my detractors and I had that with Hillary, I’ve had that with Anna and I’m just privileged to have two women like that in my life.

Drew & Huma on the Breakdowns of their Marriage

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Drew: I don’t know myself as anyone but another human walking around the planet, and I will pick up the phone and call my best friend, Nan, and go like, ‘I think my marriage is falling apart. I’m so scared, I’m freaking out, I’m paralyzed with fear, anxiety, I can’t function.’ I had a book coming out and Will and I were having discussions that it was not healthy, it was not good, it was derailing and as I’m publicly putting a book out, I know behind the scenes literally as it’s coming out I have to call my publisher and say, ‘Everything is falling apart what do I do?’ And I mean did you have those, you’re walking in and you’re like it’s falling apart again, what are those conversations?

Huma: I’m your parallel, I mean just the fact that you say that. It’s one of the reasons I chose to write my story. I mean everything that you just said is touching my heart right here because I did exactly the same thing, Drew and just looking at you and Will from the outside back then, everything was perfect, and I certainly thought I was living that too. I waited, I thought I did everything right, I waited for the perfect man. Anthony was the first man I was ever with, Drew. It was sort of, I waited for the perfect man, he swept me off my feet, when I was with him I felt like nothing could ever go wrong. People might not remember, he was a rising star in the Democratic party, I was intimidated by him being out in public, I already worked for somebody famous being in a relationship with somebody well known. It was a little intimidating to me, but he just swept me off my feet and I did think I was living a fairy tale. I share a story in the book about waking up in Buckingham Palace writing a letter to my new husband, saying how is it possible for life to be this perfect, we have to be so grateful to God, we have to be so grateful, and three days later everything fell apart. I remember getting on a plane, traveling to Europe and getting a call from the White House Deputy Chief of Staff saying, and obviously the story had broken at this point, and saying we’re all thinking about you, the President wants to reach out, President Obama was President at the time. Can you imagine? And I’m sitting on that plane looking out the window at this dark sky, saying, ‘Please just tell the President I’m so sorry for embarrassing the administration this way.’ I mean that is what my parallel was to that story you were saying, like how was I going to get through the next few days. But you figured it out, I figured it out, we had to figure it out.

Drew & Huma on the Trauma of Having their Pregnancy News Leaked to the Media

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Drew: I have a circumstance that I thought of you. I was walking out of my OBGYN and I had just found out I was pregnant and I walked out of her office, and someone I work with, Chris Miller, got these calls, ‘We know she’s pregnant, we’re breaking the story.’ He’s like, ‘You guys always talk like this, we’re in a no comment group. Come on you’re being silly,’ And they’re like, ‘Well take a look at this,’ and it’s the picture and I was stupid enough to carry the sonogram in my hand. I was depressed, or saddened kind of that I didn’t get to have that be a private thing, a moment, or just to wrap my head around it. Is it true that one of your toughest phone calls was, of all that you had to deal with, was about your pregnancy?

Huma: I was about eight weeks pregnant in the story I tell about being in Buckingham Palace, three days later the story breaks about Anthony being in communication online with other women, and two days later I get a phone call from my friend Phillipe, he said this is a very awkward conversation for me but you know The New York Times has called and they’re about to report that you’re pregnant and is there anything you want to share, he obviously didn’t know, and I was so mad, I had so much rage I felt like this deep secret, I hadn’t told anybody, we told our parents and our siblings, and so he said do you want to tell Hillary, do you want to call people and I said no, I dare them, I dare them to run the story, I’m not even twelve weeks pregnant. And of course they did, and I was so shattered, I was so broken by not being able to share what for me was a once in a lifetime gift that until today, I did it yesterday in the kitchen, that I wander around and when I’m in the shower or shopping I’ll say ‘I’m pregnant,’ and I say it because I never got to say it before, and yesterday Jordan said to me, ‘Mommy you’re pregnant?’ I’m like no, no, no but it reminds you that there are things that do stay with you.

Drew: I so appreciate hearing that because it’s not always what you expect is the moment, here’s what I mean, so when I got that phone call from Chris Miller of ‘I gotta tell you something, something’s coming out,’ it wasn’t the pregnancy I feared. It was being caught drinking. And I felt like this was my shame, and I was almost relieved when it wasn’t that. When people find out your deepest, darkest secrets, and I experienced that when I was thirteen years old and got outed and thrown into an institution, and career over, I have such PTSD from that, that I think if someone’s going to catch me drinking again, I’m going to lose my career, lose my job that I love so much, and it’s so traumatizing and that was my thing and it carries with it so much shame.

Maddie on Working with Steven Spielberg

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Drew: Well the person who changed my life when I was six-years-old, and I tried to be his muse, Steven Spielberg, you’re in his latest movie, ‘West Side Story,’ break it down, how’s it working with Steven?

Maddie: I mean you know he’s like seriously one of the most incredible people I’ve ever met. I was so lucky to do that. I was sixteen when I filmed that and I was definitely one of the youngest cast members and I was just absorbing every moment I was just trying to really just like be present in every moment I could. I absolutely adored the experience it was so fun.

Drew: I mean he’s so…

Maddie: He’s such a like dad. I love it.

Drew: He’s, you know I saw him as more of a father figure growing up, but now that I’m older and he knows my little kids and we’ve come sort of full circle, I’m like god you’re so cool.

Maddie: No, he’s the coolest.

Drew: And I mean like hip, trendy, up on everything, hangs hard with the kids, all the dad vibes I would get from him growing up.

Maddie: The best dad vibes.

Drew: But he still has those too, he’s so nurturing.

Maddie: I know, I love it so much.

Maddie Gives Drew Advice for her Daughter who Recently Joined a Dance Troupe

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Drew: My daughter just got into a little dance troupe. She made the auditions and she is in a little dance troupe now. She has an outfit, they’re all matching. Maddie, may I ask some maternal advice? As we both know, being a kid and an adult, and an adult and a kid, what’s your advice for me?

Maddie: Yeah, this is something that I’ve really realized as I’ve started to get a little older, is that I was taught to stay so focused and not engage with your competitors, whether it be a different studio or even your own teammates, and I think like I realized that winning means nothing, that the only thing that really mattered and I wish I took more seriously was really having community with my friends and supporting them, and being inspired by them, and not be scared of the people who might be better than you but actually just enjoy it and learn something from them. I really, that’s the best advice I could try and possibly give is just like, accomplishments are cool but they’re not everything and finding community in your friends is the most important thing.

Drew: Well you’ll be proud to hear, she ran out of the class in the freezing cold the other night in her t-shirt so that she could give her fellow dancers in her troupe like little presents.

Maddie: I love it.

Drew: I was like, oh no.

Drew’s News: Shanna Falch on Exit Interview She Sent To Date Who Ghosted her

https://drewbarrymoreshow.cimediacloud.com/r/QBUBiJYCyexk